Interview airs in segment #4.
In this interview with the Boiling Frogs, Asia Times reporter and Real News Network Pepe Escobar shares his observations on the uprisings in the Middle East, more specifically on countries such as Libya, Egypt, Bahrain and Tunisia. He puts into context the various roles played by western powers and interests such as France, Britain and NATO in the development in these popular revolts. In Libya in particular, Gaddafi was apparently beginning to make deals with the Chinese, and that might have created a certain uneasiness in high places in western countries. The different points he makes present a considerable amount of overlap with Dave Emory‘s assessment of the situation. This interview is certainly a good complement to what Emory has already found on the subject. In the second part of it, he then comments on the ever changing U.S. official version of the operation that killed bin Laden, taking the opportunity there to look more closely at specific details of a narrative that doesn’t seem to make sens on a military standpoint. In his opinion, and I agree with him, the operation was a PSYOPS to begin with. Read my earlier post to see how I presented it then, and this one also, when we learned that Bradley Manning might have blown the operation in advance. Why was it conducted? Because in the geo-political theater of the 21st century, Pakistan seems to be getting more and more cosy with China and Russia, and that could explain the raid on the compound. Check this post as well, where I presented the situation in that area of the world as a stage for the everlasting Anglo-Afghan War inspired by Brzezinski’s Grand Chessboard game. Escobar touches several other points that are worth taking into consideration.
However, I have a critical observation to make though. His position on Israel is flawed. But in the so-called progressive sector, he is definitely not alone in that situation. In fact, the vast majority of « progressives » fall into that category, as they blame Israel for all kinds of things that are not true or inaccurate. At the very end of the interview, as he and the Boiling Frogs’s hosts wrap up, he then comments on Obama’s proposal to Israel Prime Minister Netanyahu, for a possible resolution of the conflict. Obama’s proposal presents the creation of a Palestinian State within the 1967 borders, in other terms with the frontiers that were in usage before the Six-Day War. The pre-1967 borders are not defensible. You don’t need a Ph.D. in military operations to understand that. Any state, to be able to defend its borders needs some kind of natural obstacles such as mountains, forests, sea, lake, river, ravine, etc. Because otherwise, it is just impossible to defend them on open territory. Such borders are possible in the case of countries that are really close in terms of policy, regime, agenda, etc, like Canada and the U.S., and even with those two, there are problems. So you can imagine that between countries that are enemies to one another, that don’t share the same culture, religion, ideology, interests, etc, it can’t be acceptable. Furthermore, a lot of groups, governments, activists and religious extremists are dedicated to the destruction of Israel, and they would just jump on the occasion to finalize what they have begun for so many years. With the pre-1967 borders, it opens the doors for the mass extermination of the Israelis and the disappearance of Israel as a country. But Escopar is just another « progressive » who thinks that it is a good idea to implement those frontiers, while Netanyahu is not stupid and will never accept that.
Here is this interview with the Boiling Frogs. Following, there is an excellent post by Sibel Edmonds exploring several leads in trying to explain the timing of the bin Laden operation. Again, the idea is presented that the U.S.-Pakistani relationship has been disintegrating for several years and that, on the opposite, a much better one is being developped between Pakistan and China.
In Dave Emory’s FTR #735, we have seen that the « uprisings » in the Middle East are probably to a large extent the results of a vaste operation conducted by the intelligence agencies of the West in order to change the leadership in that area of the Earth. Although there is nobody more convinced than me that these regimes need to be changed for democratic ones, I have been, as Dave Emory and other observers of the geo-political scene, more than skeptical about the « democratic » nature of the so-called revolutions. And with reason. When you have been deceived more than once, as it is the case with several events that happened since WWII, you develop a certain apprehension, prudence and carefulness when dealing with sudden changes.
Now, is the Libyan operation a piggy back coup on the Egyptian one, which was in itself a piggy back coup on the Tunisian operation? It is possible. In an earlier post, I have already said that Khadafi should remain in power for the moment, at least temporarily, to fight back against Islamists forces, because the risks of such a takeover is too great in case of an overthrow. First, let me ask you this: where do the rebels get their weapons to fight Khadafi forces? Well…I guess that is one information that we don’t have but it is definitely important. In effect, in order to have weapons the rebels must buy or obtain them from a source that is ready to provide such weapons to that group, knowing very well that they will serve to try to overthrow Khadafi. So who is selling these weapons to the rebels? I don’t know. It is the job of the journalists to find out anyway but nobody does a particularly good job at this for the moment.
Second, haven’t you noticed that Libya shares a border with Sudan? The last time I checked, the north part of the country was controlled by Islamists and terrorists, while the south part has recently voted in favour of its secession from the north, its citizens being tired of the incessant harassment, killings, tortures, rapes, etc, brought so « generously » by the Islamic Jihad of the northmen. Maybe the weapons with which the « rebels » of Libya are fighting against Khadafi are coming in fact from the Islamists of North Sudan. That would be logical. And from whom these North Sudan Islamic Jihad warriors get their weapons? Again, and I don’t want to be patronizing, but it is the journalists’s job to bring these facts to the light of day. The operation launched by the Coalition Forces against Khadafi, although maybe sincere, might prove fatal in the long run for western civilization. Khadafi is definitely the strongest man in the area and if he falls, I don’t see who could be able to stand against the Islamists and their western sponsors.
According to Dave Emory, this vaste operation launched in the Middle East has got the approval of both branches of the CIA/State Department, the Democrat branch and the Republican branch (for that matter, see the interview with John Loftus FTR #731). It is probably the truth. However, I fail to see how the Democrat branch would be able to recuperate those messy countries and bring them to democratic parlementary or presidential governments after such violent and improvised overthrows. Democratic life is not like flipping a switch. It doesn’t take on immediately. It takes time, during which any totalitarian mafia can organise itself and seize power. It will be interesting to see what measures the Democrat branch of the CIA/State Department will put in places to make sure that these countries really get on the path of democracy. But it will certainly have to counteract first the machinations of the Republican branch, and that is not small stuff.
Also, and Emory alluded to it in its last show FTR #736, one possibility that is certainly foreseeable, is that a plan is under implementation to create a wall between the western world and an Eastern Block of nations that may form in the near future or already in formation, that may comprise China, Russia, India, Pakistan and satellite nations such as Vietnam, North Korea, maybe Japan, etc. Is the West trying to secure oil reserves in anticipation for a takeover of these by entities created by or under control of a number of states of such an Eastern Block? It is certainly possible. If one takes China alone, just by the growing demand in energy of its population of 1.5 billion people, that’s enough to make anyone envision the worst scenarios. And I am even not mentioning here the fact that China is still a communist regime and that we don’t know for sure to what extent Russia has really succeeded in extinguishing the soviet flame or its imperialistic ambitions. That certainly doesn’t help the situation either.
I will cease here the speculation. Just keep your eyes open and question everything you are told. I think that is the best attitude. I have attached two news. The first concerns the latest « facts » about the Libyan « uprising » and the next covers sudden investments made by the Saudis in the Middle East. According to you, are the Saudis trying to calm down the population by injecting money into the economy or are they securing their earlier investments because they know very well that they will become even more profitable in the near future? I will let you decide.